A Voice in the
May 14, 2003
Messianism & Trinity?
And to address another matter that came up again recently. Somebody subscribed a couple weeks ago, and within two or three mailings, unsubscribed again, complaining against Scriptural teaching of God's "Trinity", and that we don't change the N.T. (greek) into Hebrew to speak of "Yahooshuah" (instead of "Jesus"), like they do. And when I responded with Scripture that speaks of the Trinity, instead of acknowledging God's Word, did the typical Hebrew Roots thing of condemning me, not even acknowledging -any- Scripture in their reply.
If any of you have dealt with them, you have likely also noticed how messianists tend to proclaim the doctrine of God's "Trinity" to be a "pagan" notion originating out of Rome.
Let's remember that this was one of the problems with the Jews of Jesus' day also; and also 'why' they crucified Him. They didn't believe in the Trinity. They condemned Him, saying, "..because You, being a man, make Yourself God." (Jn10:33) Furthermore, Stephen proclaimed to them how they had rejected the Holy Spirit. (Ac7:51)
Jesus challenged them on the matter, quoting, "Jehovah said unto my Lord, Sit at My right hand, until I place Your enemies as Your footstool." (Ps110:1) Is Messiah man or God? Is He God, or the Son of David? Well... He's both. (Lk20:41-44)
If you are ever confronted by this question, here's a couple of references to keep in mind: As prophecy has Jesus 'speaking' in the narrative, He says, "..and now the Lord Jehovah and His Spirit has sent Me.." (Is48:16) That is... the Father and Spirit sent the Son. This was fulfilled to the Jews graphically as Jesus was immersed by John, "And when He had been immersed, Jesus went up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming upon Him. And behold a voice out of heaven, saying, This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." (Mt3:16-17)
As Jesus gave the "Great Commission" He says, "...immersing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.." (Mt28:19)
Now, if they won't receive Jesus' own words, you can also show them from the O.T. when God created man He says, "..Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.." (Gen1:26) And when man sinned, He says, "..man has become as one of us.." (Gen3:22) Notice the 'plural' words "our" and "us".
Notice how that 'questioned' passage, 1Jn5:7-8 (were they really in the original texts?), isn't necessary to teach the Trinity. It is also found in other places in Scripture.
And, if they quote Deut6:4 to you, "..Jehovah our God, Jehovah is one.." show them the fact that the word for "God" there is "elohiym". The "hiym" ending is 'plural'. God did not proclaim with the singular "elowahh". As Jesus prayed in John ch17, a three-person 'unity/oneness'.
I have also noticed on some of the nutritional sites I visit, that they are advocating eating uncooked ostrich and some game meats. What do you make of this?
At the end of the flood, when God included meat into man's diet, He warns against eating meat with the blood: "..you shall not eat flesh with its soul, that is, its blood." (Gen9:4) It is reiterated through Moses. (Lev17:10-14) And when the Jerusalem church council sends exhortation that Gentiles don't need to keep all the Mosaic rituals, one of the four things they do exhort is to abstain from blood. (Ac15:20,29)
We also get an object lesson explanation of this: When Saul and company had been at war, and are famished, many of them rush upon the enemy spoils and start eating "with the blood" (1Sam14:32) So then they quickly set up a stone to cook the meat as an "offering". (vs33-35)
They were to pour the blood out on the ground, and 'cook' their meat.
What do I "make of" all this "raw" eating? Perhaps it 'fits' with everything else about our declining societies? The more our so-called "christian" nations are steeping themselves back into pagan occult practices, society is also going back to the 'delicacies' of pagan cuisine. Pagan, occult and satanist worship rituals often include the drinking of blood. And I notice these TV so-called 'reality' shows have the contestants either drinking blood by the cup-fulls, or swimming in it to 'bob' for objects. So...why shouldn't they also eat 'raw' meat!
But it is obviously not for the Christian, is it.