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February 10, 1997

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Jesus' genealogy? -Teachings of Jesus:-Intro

Q.
We got a question on our online discussion forum that has me perplexed. Not that it really matters in the big picture of things, but those of lesser faith may stumble after reading it and I would like to post something in reply. and it does go along with your new study.

Jesus is referred to as the son of David, etc... yet, he really isn't because his father was the holy spirit, not Joseph and Mary his only real world parent wasn't of David's lineage.

Any ideas how to answer this one?

A.
As the world saw Jesus, they saw Him as Joseph's ("illegitimate") son. Thus, Joseph's lineage provides a "legal" connection to David in Matthew.

In the culture of the day, the woman didn't mean anything, and had no legal standing, and so Mary's lineage in Luke 3:23-38 is "attached" to Joseph. But it is actually "Mary's" lineage. And you notice it goes to David...and then, to Adam...to fulfill the "seed of the woman."(Gen3:15)

Hope this helps...

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"Fire red eyes" -Demon Possessed?

Q.
I was very intrigued by the very recent mailing which forwarded some reader responses plus recounted one of your personal experiences with rock music. Do you think the rock music listener who appeared to have red eyes REALLY LITERALLY had red eyes? (Which would appear to me to be an indication of demon possession) Or do you think the HOly Spirit just gave the guy's eyes the APPEARANCE of being red, as a message to you?

A.
Well, I wouldn't try to be presumptuous as to "what" the red fire was. It was enough to me at the time to understand the "connection" between the people, the music, and the "source" (satan and his demons).

However, that aside...it is a certain thing that many people walking among us in the world are demon possessed. And further, that many of them are "nephilim" ...as it was in the days of Noah..Gen6:4... products of "UFO abductions" and their genetic/sexual experiences. (The UFO's being demonic manifestations...) I don't know if there is any way of telling "who" the nephilim are. But it is quite obvious at times, that certain people one is around are demon-possessed.

Much of what is labelled "multiple personality disorders" etc.etc. are nothing more than demon inhabitation. Many of the characteristics of youth in their "behavioral disabilities" are demonic. If a person realizes that the Rock industry "prays" demons to be "attached" to each album they sell, at times of either "new moon" or "full moon" (I forget now exactly which), and then the people buy them...taking the demon home with them. And as people listen to the stuff, they are opening up their souls for the demons to come in and live.

So, it would not surprise me but what this fellow had a demon (or more) in him. I am often able to discern these things now...which I wasn't back then.

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Judging Angels?

Q.
What do you think Paul meant when he said "Know ye not that we shall judge angels" 1cor6:3 The way I see it is that our faith will be used in some way when God sends judgement.

A.
That is quite an amazing concept, isn't it!

No, I think it is more than just "our faith" by which "God judges" them. If we look at the context in which Paul says this, it is regarding Christians judging and making determinations amongst fellow-believers. Whether someone is acting as a "judge" or an "arbitrator"...the people concerned are actually making decisions of one sort or another.

Of the fallen angels it is said that they are "reserved for judgment"(2Pt2:4) "reserved under darkness to the judgment of that great day." (Jude1:6)

Of good angels it is said, "are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?"(Heb1:14) If they are "minister[ing] for" the Believers...that means they are lower in rank to the Christian.

Now, this is quite a fantastic concept, that I must admit, I can't quite fully fathom, myself. But, of "that great day" Jesus says that He will judge the nations like "sheep and goats".(Mt25:32) And this will be based upon how the nations behaved towards "His brethren" ...Israel.(Mt25:40) But it would seem that, while He is doing that, the Believers will be judging the angels. Perhaps...in similar fashion...? I can only speculate, because this would seem to be one of those "mysteries" that Scripture does not teach with details.

But...if you consider that, like our recent studies, when He appears we shall be "like Him" (1Jn3:2) ...then, in our new glorified state, we would be qualified to judge in this manner.

Remember, we are merely "seeds" right now.(1Jn3:9,1Cor15:37-38,46-49) But when we have "put on incorruption" and "sprouted/grown" we will be so much more...that we cannot begin to imagine in our present state.

Yes...as amazing as it seems right now...I do believe Paul is saying that we will be "passing judgement upon" angels.

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Pre-Trib in Scripture? "Grooming" for God's wrath?

Q.
I enjoy your outlook so much and your firmness on correct doctrine. The absolutes are real and it is good to see you standing up for them.
(Ed. Mt22:16)

But, I do have a point for you to consider. Where is the real scripures on "Pre-Trib Rapture"...? I do not se it in the Bible on my read throughs nor my in depth studies on the subject. We are not appointed to wrath indeed, but we are prepared by scripture for these fiery trials and persecutions. There is much time spent in scripture preparing us for this... seems odd that this "Mystical" church is going to miss what we have been groomed for! So, are you dogmatic on this,(I assume you must be) or do you just lean that way...? Look forward to your response.

A.
"Dogmatic" or "lean?" Well...Scripture teaches it. Rather than try to remember all the related references here, may I direct you to the Website -> TopicSearch ...search words.. "pre-trib" & "rapture"

And as you look up the various things you find there, certain things that need to be remembered on this subject.

  1. keeping a distinction between the persecution that Satan brings about upon the Church during this "time of the Gentiles" and the pouring out of God's wrath upon the world during the Tribulation. Satan is allowed to TRY TO "do in" the Church (Mt16:18) and Jesus promised persecution.(Jn16:33) But the coming "Seven years" is a time of "God's" Wrath (Rev6:17)

  2. keeping a distinction between Israel and the Church. Remembering that Israel was pruned out and the Gentiles grafted in for a time (Rom11) But when the Gentiles (the Church) is Raptured, then Israel will be grafted back in. (vs11,24)(Jer31:33-34) And, Scripture is quite clear that Israel will, indeed, go through the Tribulation...as, one of it's labels is the "time of Jacob's Trouble."(Jer30:7)
We have covered this at other times, but if you notice Jesus' two examples: Days of Noah and the Days of Lot (Lk17:27-30) Noah, of course, was protected "in" the ark and went "through" the flood. Lot, on the other hand, was rescued "out of" Sodom "before" judgment. Noah, a type of Israel. Lot, a type of the Church. 'Make sense?

And NO...the Church is not being "groomed" for God's wrath. He only gives "good things" to His own. (Mt7:9-11,Jas1:17) But for more details, I really recommend checking out the links in the TopicSearch.

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Obedient Church? a book? prayer?

Q.
Why is there no church that fully follows what Jesus taught? Jesus said you can not serve God and mammon yet every denomination sells God's love for money, making them prostitutes, daughters of Babylon.

Jesus said a child in his hands is greater than the elder apsotles present and he never instituted eldership in church yet every denomination has elders, to administer mammon.

A.
Fortunately, the True Church is not the various "denominations." The True Church is made up of a collection of individuals around the world, some within denominations, others who have come out (Rev18:4), who have been washed by the blood of Christ.(Rev1:5) Who have been saved by grace through faith.(Eph2:8)

There are many who pretend to be the "church" but Jesus is going to say, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness." (Mt7:23)

Q.
How can a true church arise to fulfill Rev. 12:5?

A.
Here, again, it's a good thing that God isn't limited by man, because the the "church" is not going to do this. The "male Child" was already born about 2000 years ago. His name is Jesus Christ. (That part of that chapter is "historical.") God is accomplishing this, not man.(Isa59:16)

Q.
I appreciate your answer to my first question and agree completely. Your answer to the second part needs work; consider the Body of Christ is the New Man in Christ and the New Man equals the Man-Child because at that point he is a new born man who overcomes or as you said, comes out of (Rev. 18:4) Babylon and her daughters. Thus the man-child concept is in the future tense as well as some past tenses.

A.
No! Rev 12:5 is talking about Jesus Christ, a "specific" Person. It is not talking about a "concept." While it is true that the Church, the "body" of Christ will become "like Him, for we shall see Him as He is."(1Jn3:2) The Church is NOT "Christ" ...it is the "bride" of Christ. (Eph5:32,etc.) So, if we were to pursue your "concept" idea, the Church would actually be the "female" counterpart unto Christ. But I'm not going to "go there" any further than that. The Church will become "like" Christ...but will not BECOME "Christ."

In Rev12:5 The "Child" Who is "male" was to rule all nations with a rod of iron." That only refers to One Person...the Lord Jesus Christ, the Creator and Lord of the universe, the "King of kings and Lord of lords."(Rev19:16)

Q.
Do you have any suggestions as to how to write a book that would encourage more people to come out of Babylon to the True Church? I can say the True Church must focus on contacting God thorough prayer, not serving mammon or hierarchy. But that is only one sentence and a book needs 200 pages or so.

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The "Book" has already been written, if people will just read it.

However, the True Church doesn't "make contact" with God. True Believers are "abiding" in Christ.(Jn15) The "contact" is ALREADY there. It is the essence of what true prayer really is, which explains "pray[ing] without ceasing."(1Ths5:17) True prayer is not some ritual formula by which "now" having done that ritual, "I'm talking with God." And then recite the words, "In Jesus' name, Amen!" as the "prayer" is finished. Prayer is continual communion and fellowship. Sometimes it involves verbal communication. But mostly, it is, simply... "abiding."

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