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March 30, 1998

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Church Sex? "The Family"

Comment:

Thank you for your expose on the "Family." I have had my eye on this cult for many years and can agree with you when you state that they are not Christian.

I am well acquainted with a couple who were involved with "The Children Of God" "Family Of Love", "Family" For several years in which time the wife bore four children to different fathers, men who were referred to as "sheep."

The group is very definitely not Christian, they don't even have a "form of Godliness." They teach and practice, adultery, fornication and paedophilia. I watched this group systematically destroy the lives of the family I am speaking of over a period of ten years.

Scars remain with the parents (now divorced) and the children of this family that will never heal without the intervention of God's grace.

My friend told me that when they first joined the group, all was love and light and Bible but once they were "hooked" (the groups term for a new convert) They underwent days of sleep deprivation whilst the "Mo Letters" were read aloud to them over and over and they were not permitted food or water until they received a "revelation of the truth" of those letters!

Anyway, I just wanted to let you know I appreciated your speaking out about the group.

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Comment:

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Can we have "fellowship" with people from "The Family?" While it is apparent that they are NOT "Christian" ...they promote themselves as being such. We must follow Paul's mandate "but now I have written to you not to keep company with ANYONE NAMED A BROTHER, who is sexually immoral...not even to eat with such a person...put away from yourselves the evil person." (1Cor5:11,13)
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Be careful here... because if you remember, what Jesus did.. he was always with the sinners... and never turn anyone away..

I Think Paul is giving a warning.. to keep your self up on the word., so,that you don't fall back into the world. ( you can love someone.. but don't love what there are doing.).. pray for them.

SO, we are to follow Jesus footsteps..

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We must look at the more complete "context" of Paul's words in that passage. (I don't always paste in the complete passages due to space constraints...I am always in the hopes that "Bereans" will be looking up the references listed, to see the whole contexts...not just reading "my" words, but going from VW writings into God's Word and seeing the "thus says the Lord")

He says regarding "not [keeping] company with sexually immoral people...yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world...since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with ANYONE NAMED A BROTHER, who is sexually immoral..."(1Cor5:9-11)

In addition to "openly promoting" immorality, "the family" also has a doctrinal statement which is "non-Christian" due to the things it omits, and is in error. If you look at their poster/art, you will see stuff that borders on psychedelial and occult, with bizarre depictions of God, heaven, angels; and includes things which some might call pornography.

But, if you don't dig into some of the submenus, what they portray of themselves to the world is something called "Christian." By their own promotions, they are "so called brothers." We must not keep company.

Jesus, on the other hand, "did not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." (Mt9:13) It was "sinners" with whom Jesus mingled, as He would tell them "go and sin no more."(Jn8:11) But the (self) "righteous" scribes and pharisees, He "did not commit Himself to them...for He knew what was in man."(Jn2:18,25) And had many "woes" He pronounced upon them.(Mt23)

If you're still not convinced, please continue reading the next comment from another reader...

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Comment:

Thank you for the information and the admonition. Too often I think we forget 1 Cor 5:11+ It is easy for us to think that we can't cut someone off, for if we cut them off, then how shall they be brought to an understanding of the truth. In such thoughts our intentions are good, and our desires are pure, but our methods are weak and ineffectual. God tells us in proverbs that there is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the ends thereof are the ways of death.

God's way of handling a situation is always the right way. Is always the best way. Is always the most effective way. Even if cutting someone off seems harsh to us, we must ask what Jesus would do and how did He instruct us through His Word. So I just wanted to thank you for reminding us of God's way in such issues!

May God continue to bless you,

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God hates sex?

Q.
I still dont understand why sex exists if God doesnt like the very idea itself. ( I mean is there a different between marrital sex in the sight of God than non-marrital sex in his sight? Some how I get the impression that sex is wrong no ( to God ) matter what the curcumstances. I know there a many sins that stem from sex, but even if your married? It's like what bother having more births in this world if it's wrong.

What is your opinion?

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Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth..." ...then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was VERY good."(Gen1:28,31)

When God commanded to "be fruitful" He was obviously referring to "sex" ...which was part of the "everything that He had made" which He pronounces "very good." Everything up to that point He had merely called "good."

The "preacher" says, "There are three things which are too wonderful for me, Yes, four which I do not understand: The way of an eagle in the air, The way of a serpent on a rock, The way of a ship in the midst of the sea, And the WAY OF A MAN WITH A VIRGIN. (Pr30:18-19)

No. Sex is not sinful. God does not hate it. He made it! But what He hates is "perversion" of what He created. He ordained that "a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh."(Gen2:24) And the idea is, they shall become one flesh "with each other." Not, everything else in sight.

The reason satan has so perverted sex is because 1) it was the means by which the woman's "seed"(Gen3:15) and Abraham's "Seed"(Gal3:16) would come to be the Savior because of sin. The perversion is part of that "enmity" which God prophesied. If he could pervert humanity, he could prevent the Savior from being born.

And then 2) marriage is a type (picture) of the relationship between God and those who believe in Him. Israel is depicted as God's "bride."(Is61:10,Jer2:32,Hos2:16,etc.) And the Church, as the bride of Christ.(Eph5:32) Satan is very jealous of this relationship and seeks to destroy it any way he can. ...or, anything that is a picture of it. Which is what marital sex is. The "two become one flesh."(Eph5:31) As Jesus prays, "that they may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me...I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one.."(Jn17:21,23)

This is why practically everything sinful in the world revolves around, and is otherwise in some way related to, the PERVERSION OF SEX. It represents the "core-essence" of satan's rebellion against God and His essence and relationship with His own.

So, just as it is said, "Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one!"(Deu6:4) "You shall have no other gods before Me."(Deu5:7) The meaning is exactly the same... "You shall not commit adultery."(vs18)

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