September 25, 2007
HOWEVER......!!! (rolling up the sleeves)
If you don't want Truth, please stop reading here; you might as well click on the link and unsubscribe. I'm coming out swinging, and will not back down on what comes next. I know it puts me at odds with many conservative preachers out there; but I'm to a point where I could care less. 'You ready? Here we go....
-Understanding- the "ye olde English" is one thing. But the things that are 'wrong' with the KJV have nothing to do with it being "old", or "hard to understand". Whether it's old or current, if certain words are "wrong" (being easily understood, whether old or current), a dictionary does nothing to 'correct' what is wrong; it only clarifies the error. (Do you not -read- the mailings??? Do you still not 'get' it???)
Again... (shall we beat on this dead horse one more time, and thwack it good-n-hard?) it is the -SCHOLARS- who -DELIBERATELY- 'CHANGED' God's Word!!! Yes... I mean -specifically- those whom the "most high and mighty Prince James" commissioned. (Who is the "most high"? James or Jehovah?) Seeing as how scholarly and qualified they were, they are WITHOUT EXCUSE for what they did!!! GOD'S WORD DID NOT COME THROUGH ORACLES!!! And the Holy of Holies of God's presence above the Mercy Seat in the tabernacle and Solomon's temple was -NOT- a pagan ORACLE!!! To call it such, as the KJV does (1Ki6:5,19,etc), is BLASPHEMY!!! Yes, you read that correctly. The KJV -BLASPHEMES- the Most High! Yes, even worse than some of today's perversions do! Indeed, the perVersions do insult to God's essence and the Deity of Christ; but do any of them blaspheme God's essence as disgustingly the way the KJV does, by equating God's essence, revelation and Word (Rom3:2 kjv) with pagan oracles??? When the mormons and freemasons consult their oracles, is it then at all surprising that the KJV is their official version? C'mon! (shaking you by the shoulders) !!!Wake up!!! And it is the Romish 'scholars' who snear down their noses at the "laity", telling them they are not qualified to understand the Bible, therefore "don't read it...let -us- 'explain' it to you" (according to Babylonish pagan tradition). Thus, they "twist" the Scriptures "to their own destruction" (2Pt3:16) and the eternal peril of their hearers.
Let's have some understanding....
oracle n. 1. a. A shrine consecrated to the worship and consultation of a prophetic deity, as that of Apollo at Delphi. b. A person, such as a priestess, through whom a deity is held to respond when consulted. c. The response given through such a medium, often in the form of an enigmatic statement or allegory. 2. a. A person considered to be a source of wise counsel or prophetic opinions. b. An authoritative or wise statement or prediction. 3. [Theology.] A command or revelation from God.
With 400 years of KJV, definition #3 is to be expected from a worldly source like American Heritage Dictionary, with likely no religious axe to grind; just defining what has come to be with centuries of misuse. But definitions are given in the order of their historical significance and intent. Thus, notice
1b, the "priestess" after the pagan Queen of Heaven traditions.
1c, the pagan/occult "medium".
Notice... I DID NOT SAY, "tenacity to God's Word" ...but tenacity to the KJO -cult-. That cult is every bit as pagan as Solomon became when he clung to his pagan wives, they "thrust aside" his heart from God, to their pagan gods. (1Ki11:2,4) If you worship -the- 'KJV', beware lest your heart is also "thrust aside" from God's Word.
Fascinating...the timing of things! Saturday, as I've been tweaking on this item, Saturday night TBN (as I was flipping channels) had some fellow doing a little mini history lesson on things related to the Greek empire, and actually went up to the ruins of the oracle of Delphi with cameras, and explained and described it. The -females- who were the practitioners would go into trances and start uttering/babbling jibberish (tongues), which then some priest or somebody would 'translate'...which would typically come out sounding like disjointed prose...sorta the same sort of thing I witnessed back in the 70s at a home meeting, where one of the group was commissioned to "speak in tongues", and then another was commissioned (by the leader) to "interpret" the tongues that had just been spoken. At Delphi, Greece, apparently four different tectonic plates converge, two fault lines intersecting, which results in the escape out of the ground of certain hallucinogenic gases...which is how/why the females go into their trance-like states. Of course, as with drug use or mantra style self-hypnosis "worship" (like charismania does it), when a person is minus self-control, the demons come in and take over.
Another little tidbit... we speak of the mormon love for the KJV. They have their own version of "Delphi".
In case you're still not getting it, let's look at this from another angle...
Who was satan? The "anointed cherub that covers" (Ezk28:14) Remember the link in last week's mailing on "Treason"? Typified in the Holy of Holies just over the Mercy Seat, where God's 'presence' was represented. But satan decided that place was not enough and declared, "I will be like the Most High" (Is14:14) So, when the KJV changed the Holy of Holies into "oracle", what satan has done is to have people declaring as if it was -his- (satan's) essence, instead of God's. When God's Word is labeled as "oracles", satan has people (unwittingly) uttering as if it was -his- (satan's) word, instead of God's. By definition... "idolatry"! Remember: that was the serpent's opening salvo with Eve: Did God -really- say...? Oh, no, let -me- tell you... In essence, that's what "oracle" is, when inserted in the Scriptures in place of "Word" or "Holy of Holies".
And if the KJV is the "only translation" (that's what you said)...then: those poor Japanese, French, Germans, Spanish, Norwegians, Portugese, etc,etc around the world.... who don't have the Bible!!!
Besides... Which is it? Do you want people to be scholars? Or are you deriding scholarship (i.e. Right Knowledge)?
There's some of you who need to decide who you worship: the KJV, or God? God knows your heart! If you worship the KJV because it is the "KJV", satan is your god! No, no typo... you read that right! Yes, there are a lot of other less-important errors in the KJV, but how much worse can it be than to label God's Holy of Holies, the place where He placed His name in the midst of Israel, a pagan oracle...to say that, in essence, God is satan...or that satan is God's replacement; and that satan authored God's Word. The fact that KJV says "oracle" in the 21 places it does, now that I know better, for me puts it on the trash heap.
You know, the more people keep whining about this topic, and the more I am forced to consider and ponder the matter, as these truths sink in as my eyes open wider to them, the more anti-KJV I become! I am to a place where I am totally loathing it! And the more disgusted I am with some, who know a lot more about these things than I do, who from their other writings it seems quite apparent that they love the Lord... that they seem blind to these things. (Not going to mention any names... It is between them and the Lord.)
Also... if you truly believe, in your heart, that the KJV is the "only translation", then you -must- unsubscribe. For you to remain on this list would be a 'sin' and hypocrisy to you.
Again... not criticizing the reading from the KJV, if done for the right reasons, because for years it was the only English translation available, and the common person didn't know any better; along with NKJV, MKJV, or LITV. And many of you have found the VW-edition useful. Also... another thing I am NOT saying is: that you -must- read the VW-edition to have God's Word. Truth is truth. God gives it to us through His Holy Spirit. (1Jn2:27)
If you think that your clutching of the KJV (-because- you do so) will get you into Heaven, think again! (Again: Exactly what was intended to be said) Just as there are "even now many antichrists" (1Jn2:18), is the KJV one of the "many...strong delusions, that they should believe the lie" (2Th2:11)??? You might object, since that passage also says that they "did not receive the love of the truth that they might be saved" (vs10) I know of at least one website that also has "1611" in its address who, last time I knew, was proclaiming that 'repentance' is -NOT- part of salvation, even though the Bible says it is. (Ac20:21, 2:38, 11:18, Mk1:15, Lk24:47, etc) In fact, Jesus proclaimed, "unless you repent, you will all likewise perish" (Lk13:3,5) And also proclaims to the church of Ephesus to repent, on peril of having their lampstand removed. (Re2:5) But there are many KJO churches that sing, "Only believe, only believe"...and they clutch their KJVs... and holding to "KJ-only" is at the top of their list of requirements for fellowship. They clutch KJ-onlyism, sans repentance. They reject the "love of the Truth" to be saved. For them KJ-onlyism is their strong delusion.
James was not the "most high" (even though the Preface (?) of the KJV claims so of him), and God's Word did not come through demonic/charismatic trances of oracles through female occult mediums.
No! No! No!
"...for prophecy was not formerly brought forth by manís choice, but holy men of God spoke as they were propelled along by the Holy Spirit." (2Pt1:21)
Israel's idolatry excavated
9/18/07 on Public TV's "NOVA" program, at the point where I tuned in, they were discussing archaeological finds based on the Qumran Dead Sea caves. The program specialized on copper and bronze artifacts purported to be from around 70AD. It was thought that, before the temple was destroyed in 70AD, many of the temple's objects were hidden in various places... and they found this copper scroll with a 'list' on it. This list, essentially, an 'inventory' of the hidden objects, and 'where' to find them. They were finding containers, jars, bowls, incense shovels, etc.
Among the various objects, some of the bowls and pans, assumed to be implements for temple service; some of them had images hammered, engraved, etc. These images were not like what Moses and Solomon commissioned for the tabernacle and temple, of cherubim or pomegranates, etc. But they were of Greco-Roman mythological deities, portrayed much as the Romans would portray their art, in various degrees and states of nudity. They did not discuss the 'nudity' aspect, that's my own observation; but they did address how these objects, supposedly for Jewish -temple- worship, were adorned with Greco-Roman -pagan- deities.
One of the "authorities" on the show, of seemingly Jewish 'rabbinic' bent, was saying that "They just WOULD NOT have had pagan deities on temple objects" (words to that effect). But as they progressed through the program, they showed the process by which they ascertained that the objects -did- come from the correct time frame in question; and based on other things, that they -did- come from the temple during Jesus' time on earth and just prior to its destruction in 70AD. That they were -temple- implements. Thus, the conclusion: that the temple implements from that time -had- decorations of Greco-Roman pagan mythological art.
But why would pagan art be on Jewish temple implements? Did not God warn against such things? Against "any likeness..." (Ex20:4)
This is what we spoke of last week (above). Not going to re-address the KJV's idolatry; we did that enough last week. But we observed how it was Israel's idolatry that dispersed them to the "four winds".
These artifacts have been found: temple objects with engravings of pagan deities. And in 70AD the temple was destroyed.
You mean: This idolatry was going on when Jesus walked the earth? How did they get away with it? Well, they didn't. Judgment came in 70AD.
Stephen, just prior to being stoned to death, summed it up this way,
Even today, there are objects in honor of Freemasonry on the top of the roof of Israel's Knesset building.
Both Hezekiah and Josiah's reigns were characterized by destroying pagan objects their predecessors had brought INTO THE TEMPLE. One of the things Josiah destroyed was the horse and chariots to the sun in the entrance to the temple. (2Ki23)
So... why is it that the [c]hurch thinks it can get away with the incorporation of pagan objects in its worship? From Rome to charismania, they revere the sun, moon, stars, cross, images of one they label as "Jesus"...even though Jesus was a Jew, not an anglo-saxon effeminate hippy, who knows -what- He looked like? "IHS" Isis, Horus, Set (from Egypt)...and Isis and Horus is depicted in many ways, mostly during the pagan winter solstice time as the "madonna and child". Various sorts of candles, for different purposes, depending on which church is under discussion. When I was in those cathedrals in Montreal (for professional music), all their statuary reminded me, with 'western' flair, of the images and idols I had grown up seeing in (pagan) Japan. I still remember muttering within myself, "This is idolatry" (in a church!) More recently when I walked into that "conservative baptist" sanctuary, to hear the Bible college choir I spoke of over a year ago [link], all the glittery ornaments up at the platform/altar, as viewed from the back, walking in, had every bit the same feel and spirit as those Montreal cathedrals. And what do you suppose would happen to a pastor who might have the necessary gumption to back up a truck to the church doors, throw all that garbage in, tie a chain to the cross on the steeple and pull it down, and haul all the filth to the dump? Would he not be run out-o-town?
If anybody is objecting to this line of rhetoric, please provide us all with -anything- in the Bible regarding New Testament Church 'furnishings'. (In the past I've repeated this request, and to date, nobody has ever yet provided such Scripture references) In the O.T., Jesus had not yet fulfilled the animal sacrifices, and the objects, at God's command, were made "according to the pattern". But where is -any- of that continued for the N.T. Church? Anything that existed, the temple, which was the only place where such objects were to exist...they were warned not to duplicate for personal use (Ex30:37) The only two Church rituals are 1) emersion in water, and 2) Lord's Supper. And even these, while some of "messianist" leanings -think- they know 'how' to do them, harking back to Jewish O.T. traditions, and often pontificate their self-assumptions to others...when it boils right down to it, there are no "instructions" in the N.T. When Jesus instituted the Lord's Supper, He was instituting a "new covenant" (Mt26:28, 1Co11:25). Typically a new covenant will also have new rituals, if any. A new covenant will not be tied to old rituals; because the old and its rituals are expired/fulfilled. (Mt5:17, 2Co3:14, Heb9-10) And as we see as Paul writes to Gentiles at Corinth, he speaks of the "new covenant", but does not include any step-by-step instructions as to the rituals... as we see proliferated from Moses for the O.T. All we know is that the bread was "broken". (Mt26:26, 1Co11:24)
If one were to ask a typical baptist, presbyterian, etc to -explain- all the "altar" furnishings, I expect there would be the proliferations of imagined symbolisms and all sorts of holy-sounding reasonings. But again, I challenge anybody to show it to us FROM THE SCRIPTURES. And how many of them are actually from pagan Babylonish traditions?
And if it is not in the Scriptures, but people cling to them, WHAT IS IT? Especially if it originates in Babylon... IDOLATRY!
The Jewish 'rabbi' (whether he was or not, he looked and acted like one) surmised that -they- (pre 70AD) -WOULD NOT- have incorporated pagan images. But they did. Stephen proclaimed them to be like their predecessors in the O.T. who rebelled. Thus, we know they -WOULD HAVE- had pagan images...and as the archaeological evidence proves, they -did-. And they were judged.
In this context let's define -which- "church" we are speaking of. From Babylon come the traditions of Pergamos and Thyatira who idolize their depictions of the sun, moon, stars and the queen of heaven. Sardis claims to be distinct from Babylon, but is dead, and doesn't watch for Jesus' coming (Re3:3) but is busy building (they think) Jesus' kingdom -for- Him. Ephesus is busy -discerning- (judging) all the rest of everybody else, but idolizes the KJV, a product of Babylon. All of these are exhorted to repent. Along with Philadelphia and Smyrna, there are -individuals- from the [C]hurch of Jesus Christ in Ephesus, Pergamos, Thyatira and Sardis who have been faithful (NONE in Laodicea!). But except for Philadelphia and Smyrna, -all- the rest are under God's judgment. That's the "[c]hurch" we are speaking of. And except for the -individuals- who have "come out of [Babylon]" (Re18:4), that's pretty much -everything- we see today with the label "church". Every cult or denomination, where the people call themselves "christians".
Jesus exhorts the churches to "repent" OR ELSE He will come quickly and remove their lampstand. (Rev chs2-3) See Rev1:20 for the definition of "lampstand".
Christendom today is OVERFLOWING in IDOLATRY! Is it not due judgment? It happened to Israel a couple times, and their history is recorded as an "example" to us, so we don't follow in their same rebellious footsteps. (1Co10:6)