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August 23, 2011

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  • How to get rid of demons? (Believed, but not saved)

How to get rid of demons? (Believed, but not saved)
    "Then Jesus said to him, Go away, Satan!" (Mt4:10)

    "Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." (Ja4:7)

    "When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none. Then he says, I will return to my house from which I came out. And when he comes, he finds it empty, swept, and put in order. Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first. So shall it also be unto this wicked generation." (Mt12:43-45)

    "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come. Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree corrupt and its fruit corrupt; for a tree is known by its fruit. Offspring of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." (Mt12:31-34)

    "that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were pleasing; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. And Jehovah said, My Spirit shall not continually strive with man, for indeed it is in flesh to sin; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years. There were giants on the earth in those days. And also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them, these were the mighty men from antiquity, men of renown." (Ge6:2-4)

    "...for the time is at hand. He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still. And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to what his work shall be." (Re22:10-12)

This past week a subscriber sent me a link to a video "Fallen Angels Get Bold: Elenin, Immortals, 9/11 In Movies? Antichrist Foretold?" [link] (with my slow dialup it took a couple hours to download the entire file) that; just like we've been making observations of movies like "V", The Event, Flashforward related to current events and prophecy; apparently there was a movie a few years before 9/11 that involved airplanes flying into the WTC (art prophesying life); and by the same criteria some other movie has apparently suggested that an asteroid will hit earth this year with a name that coincides with an asteroid that actually exists; the video had a clip of some rock group singing (well...screaming/shouting) words that included, "we are the fallen angels". Another person, with a background in charismania obviously is not able to leave it, to be free of the demons, and is suffering. Friday's weekly trip to the POBox included a package from somebody I don't know, of several dozen stapled/published pamphlets purporting to proclaim against the hippies, afro-american agenda, homosexuality, and all-things demonic. But when I went to their website (I don't even want to give its URL here, lest somebody go and get caught up in it) to try to figure out -who- they are, all sorts of links regarding spirit-filling, prophecies, and such. And the packet includes a pamphlet of "Visions given to xxxx by the Lord"....and the picture of the woman is kinda creepy, like a woman a person might see sitting at a tarot card reading tent at a county fair.

Some of the staunchest "deliverance ministries", themselves are mucking around in demonology....only....they call it being "spirit-filled" and God's "power" (just like "Simon" below), and they publish "prayers" a person can repeat for this, that or the other thing. Themselves demonic, but purporting to "cast out demons" from people...Satan "divided against satan" (Mt12:25-26)

Those who engage in exorcisms also seem to have very specific 'formulae' by which they engage the demons. I've never studied the "depths of satan" (Re2:24) so I can't recount them for you here. But I've read enough to know that they consider that, if they don't -do- certain rituals and recite certain words JUST RIGHT, that their attempts to cast out demons will fail. That's because it's NOT of God.

Let's never forget one thing: There is MUCH that appears to be "of God" and "Christian" but is not; but rather is in the very den of satan and his minions. Never forget...UNDERSTAND THIS CLEARLY:

    There are -many- "false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder; for Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works." (2Co11:13-15)
If we are -in- the "days of Noah", how many demons are walking amongst us? Those in that rock band, are they actual -demons- through DNA hybrid births, or are they -merely- 'possessed' humans, and the demons are singing -through- them? Friday morning on my way to work I stopped at WalMart to stock up on some soda pop for the store, and nobody would look at me. (Not that I -wanted- them to; but typically when shopping, people tend to look at each other, and perhaps smile as they pass each other, etc) A couple, when they thought they would see me, it was obvious they quickly deliberately turned away and 'rushed' out the other end of the aisle. Another walking along, almost would have run over me with her cart, as if I wasn't there, if I hadn't stepped aside. And when I got to the checkout counter, the cashier would not look me in the face, but kept diverting her eyes. (It would be interesting to know -what- is going on at this WalMart up here at Shadle. Are -all- the WalMarts this way? This one is close to where I live, convenient, so I keep going there.)

We already know from Jesus that those being saved are "few" (Mt7:14) In Noah's day, Noah was "one of eight" (2Pt2:5) In other words, out of whatever the world's population was at that time, only Noah was a Believer. Even the rest of his family was not; as was shown by how quickly the world corrupted itself after the flood. Noah is called a "preacher of righteousness". His ministry was a "failure". He did not have "hundreds---going forward" at his mass crusades. He did not have (not even his own family) people "praying the prayer".

If someone is demon-possessed, -can- they be saved? "can" meaning: IS IT POSSIBLE? Jesus said the "last state" of the person is worse. What sort of event would cause a person's "house" to be emptied clean? An act of deliverance? But the person does not follow Christ, and more demons come along. They had their choice, but refused Jesus. Do they have any further chances? Even if they plead REAL HARD? Jesus would tell some to go and sin no more lest a "worse thing" come to them. (Jn5:14)

If a person is a human-demon hybrid, can they be saved? I think we've already addressed this awhile back. Human DNA is 'human' DNA. Jesus was born of human DNA "in the flesh" to save sinners. But if a person is a hybrid, they are no longer (100%) "human". Jesus was not born a hybrid. Man (Adam) had sinned, and so a "man" needed to pay sin's penalty; which is what Jesus did. A hybrid CANNOT be saved. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE for a hybrid to be saved. Jacob says, "the demons believe and shudder" (Ja2:19) Some of the greatest -faith- in the universe is from the demons. They -know- that Jesus has "come in the flesh" (1Jn4:2), they -know- that Jesus is God's Son "I know who You are; the Holy One of God" (Mk1:24); and they know that Jesus died to save sinners. (1Ti1:15) But Jesus died as the "last Adam" (1Co15:45) "adam" meaning "man". ("adam" also means "red"...is that because man's soul is in the blood, which is red? I don't know with certainty; just questioning a thought of the moment)

Thus.... of those people we see walking amongst us, in how many cases is it that they CANNOT BE SAVED? They are already damned? Like that old saying, "Dead man walking!"

Some of these pamphlets include stuff from the hippy generation. I grew up during that era, but for some reason had blinders on and did not realize the "spirituality" that it involved. The beads, flowers, peace symbol...and didn't realize they did yoga and TM. I didn't know what else they did as they puffed on MJ; I stayed away from those dens and their communes. I was too busy studying music, and 'fighting' with the (so-called) "church", not realizing (at the time) it was no longer the Church of Jesus Christ. I couldn't understand why they "made claims" for Christ, but did not want to -obey- Him, through the Bible; but would continually struggle, trying to persuade them to holy living. I didn't yet understand that they DID NOT KNOW THE LORD. But just as the church was going into apostasy, the population at large was going into demon-based 'spirituality'. Today's generation are children of that hippy demon generation. Perhaps like... "visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me"?? (Ex20:5b) There are likely more tattoo parlors and "health and wellness" spas than there are churches. And those parlors and spas might just as well be operating in the basements of the churches! They are of the same spirit, spirituality and demons.

And so, if a person comes to the 'end' of themself and realizes this life has been a total waste. They have been in and out of charismatic churches, participated in "deliverance" meetings, and feel like life is over, what is the solution? Is there hope? Does it take getting some 'powerful' preacher to come and "pray" -mightily- over them? Well, that's how they got into the mess in the first place!

What does Paul mean when he says...

    "and with all unrighteous deception among those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them STRONG DELUSION, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE THE LIE" (2Th2:10-11)
God -knows- the heart. He knows when a person has crossed the line over which there is no more forgiveness. He knows when a person has "blasphemed" the unforgiveable sin. He knows when the person has reached: Whatever you were when you got to that line....that's what you remain ever thereafter. And according to the couple of Scriptures quoted above, it doesn't seem to be that the "line" is the moment of death, but can have been reached -before- physical death.

If a person has a 'scrambled' mind and can't seem to GET A GRIP on reality, is that God's (given) "delusion"?

On the other hand, when a person is being harassed by satan, does it require certain 'secret' rituals of hocus-pocus? Jesus said, "Go away Satan". When the Legion was sent into the herd of swine He merely said, "Go" (Mt8:32) Jacob tells us that if we "resist" satan, he will "flee".

It does NOT take these long protracted exorcism 'sessions', like I've seen portrayed on TV news specials, lasting several days of agony and sweat. It does NOT take getting the demon-possessed to look into a mirror, and then throw the mirror out the window where the demon is allegedly destroyed when the mirror shatters into a b'zillion pieces. And just because the possessed one is muttering "Jesus has come in the flesh, Jesus has come in the flesh" (1Jn4:2) over and over (like I saw on one of the TV specials) doesn't mean the demon has left. The demons were professing: We know who You are, the Holy one of God. Did that mean they were no longer demons? NO!

What is in the -heart-? God knows the matter. How did the demons come to be harassing in the first place? Was it a Job-esque conversation between God and satan? Or did the individual knowingly enter into the contract with satan? If a person knowingly "sells their soul...to the devil" can it ever be bought back? Is -that- one of the "lines" that cannot be un-crossed?

Not everyone can be saved! Oh, I know that's contrary to what the salesmen (uh, preachers!) up at the pulpit spin out words, as they invite to "come...just as you are" ... "you don't need to change". They, of course, are trying to get as many people at their "altar", so they can boast HOW MANY -they- have won for the Lord; so they can brag it up at the next pastor's summit. (Notches on their gun barrel!) But it is -God's- Kingdom, and it is God who judges from His Throne. Jesus keeps the Book of Life. If a person goes forward, but refuses to repent towards God (Ac20:21) and to "receive" Jesus Christ (Jn1:12); if they refuse Jesus Christ, why should Jesus Christ -write- their name in His Book? He doesn't! And trying to come up "some other way" (Jn10:1) doesn't cut it. How long has the person been 'playing' with God in pretense? And thus, at what point does God shut the door? Or seen another way, as Jesus is at the door knocking (Re3:20), and nobody comes to open the door...how long does He stand knocking, before He decides, "Well, I guess nobody's home" or "they don't want Me"...and turns and walks away! And then it's too late!

During Noah's time God says,

    "My Spirit shall not continually strive with man..." (Ge6:3)
When the "master" tells the servants to go invite the guests to the banquet, when various ones make excuses or refuse, the master doesn't send the servants back to the same ones who rejected, to grovel before them: Won't you P'leeeeeease come! (Mt22)

Demons don't have Salvation. Demon-human hybrids don't have Salvation. Salvation is for people with the DNA of mankind. But at what point do humans put themselves in a place where they, also, don't have Salvation?

God knows! The Keeper of the Book of Life knows!

If a person refuses to tell the harassing demons to "Take a hike!", God will allow the demons to torment them. And then it is TOO LATE!

Just because Simon "believed" (and was baptized) (Ac8:13) didn't mean he was saved. He was a demon-possessed sorcerer (vs9), just like today's charismania and was proclaiming the "great power of God" (vs10), to whom Peter says,

    "You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not upright before God. Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you. For I see that you are in bitter wickedness and bound by unrighteousness. Then Simon answered and said, Pray to the Lord for me, that none of the things which you have spoken may come upon me." (Ac8:21-24)
And the account doesn't tell us that he repented. Peter told him what he needed to do, but he didn't do it. And Peter didn't use the -gift- of the Holy Spirit, against his will, to "cast the demon" out. The "spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets" (1Co14:32); and in similar fashion 'exorcisms' are not done to one possessed, against their will. There IS NO SUCH THING AS spirits OVERCOMING a person out-of-control, where they didn't first 'open' themselves for it to happen. Today they 'worship', open their arms, raise their heads and -ask- to be "spirit-filled". And so, the demons happily oblige. When a person is "slain" or "thrown across the room", it is not that they "can't help it" or that the "spirit just overcame them". They -ASKED- FOR IT TO HAPPEN.

Perhaps one of the MOST DESTRUCTIVE DOCTRINES from the Reformation, and one that Fundamentalists cling to as their primary doctrine, as it is from the "church fathers", is the one called "Sola Fide" (ONLY BELIEVE) How many people have -only- 'believed' and are now in Hell!?!

Simon "believed", but remained demon-possessed (Ja2:19b), -BECAUSE- he did not, from his own heart, REPENT. He might have "believed", but was NOT -SAVED-!


Years ago, before I understood 'reality' (and man's sin nature) a bit better, I was the sort of person whose cup was "half full". I always trusted people, and even if I got burned once in awhile, I always tried to give people the benefit of the doubt. If somebody should say they were "sorry" for something, I readily believed them. I was friendly with any and every-body. But as I see the -truth- of this wicked world, and particularly satan's cleverness, and the -lies- of those that call themselves "christian", I have come to realize the cup is, in reality, "half empty". And 99.999% of humanity is headed to the Lake of Fire.

Now, even though we have spoken of those who are "not saved" (above); it -is- possible for somebody who has been in the charismatic movement to be saved. There are those, here and there, whose testimonies proclaim how the Lord saved them "out of" charismania. And I expect, if a person has also been in full-fledged satan worship, it is possible for such a person to be saved...although I have yet to know of any such person, individually. From Scripture we know this is true. In Ephesus people came to the Lord, out of their sorcery and related things, and they burned the books. (Ac19:18-20) And it says the "Word of the Lord grew mightily..."

However, in my personal experience of observation, those who were truly saved "out of" charismania are far less than those who -claim- to have been saved, but it is obvious they are still entrenched. Years ago I knew of this fellow who had allegedly been saved out of satan-worship, but was always being drawn back into it. AND...his wife was also charismatic, and continually lusted after tongues and miracles. An internet writer some years ago, who had allegedly been 'saved', in his writings could never quite LET GO of his former occult 'numerology', but would attribute numerology to "christian" teachings. Those at Ephesus -LEFT- their occult. They -BURNED- their books. When you've burned a book, you can no longer go back to LOOK THINGS UP. No more 'reference' tools. Which is one reason I don't worry too much that I don't know -details- of satan's realm. And I sometimes 'worry' about those who -INFORM- the rest of us about all the evil....How can they immerse themselves SO DEEPLY in that stuff, to know so much, without themselves getting 'hooked' even just a little. Being 'tainted' by the knowledge.

One thing I seem to notice about those claiming to have come out, but are still obviously 'in'; and in saying this next I don't presume to know their hearts, or to understand about them what God only knows; but they always seem to KNOW soooooo much. They are soooooo smart. They are 'experts' in what they propound. On one hand they may be in the pits of despair wanting answers, and in the next breath they can rattle on and on with alleged wisdom and knowledge of Biblical spiritual things. They are SOOOO WISE that nobody can say anything to them, while at the same time being at a loss. If I didn't know any better, when they claimed to "come out", it is almost as if they didn't "burn the books" behind them. As if they wanted deliverance, but didn't want to forsake everything. As if: Lord, help me... but I have all this wisdom by which I can help, too. I know all this stuff...surely there is something useful in-amongst all my gotten knowledge???

Paul warned...

    "Therefore let him who thinks he is firmly established take heed that he not fall." (1Co10:12)
Charismania and spirituality is a very -proud- way. They presume to wield sooooo much power, snap their fingers and command (even) God to perform on their behalf. Instead, God's true servant responds, "We are unprofitable servants. We have done what was our duty to do." (Lk17:10) And so, if a person won't relinquish 'some' of that (alleged) glory, wanting to cling to some of it...it is not possible to be free? Even Jesus did not do as they do, "who, being in the form of God, did not consider clinging, to be equal with God, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found comprised as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." (Ph2:6-8)

The one who went home justified was the one who prayed, "God, be merciful to me, a sinner" (Lk18:13) As Job also acknowledges, upon seeing God, "Therefore I despise myself, and have repented in dust and ashes." (Job42:6)



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