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October 19, 1999

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Name-n-claim salvation for unsaved spouse

Question:
I fellowship once a week with a group of charismatic ladies. [edited] Anyway, my husband isn't a Believer and these women say that as a Christian, we have the power and favor to.. in a way..demand salvation for our husbands, and then after that, thank the Lord for saving him. [edited] It doesn't sound to humble to me. Who are we to command anything from the Almighty God? I never felt right about praying that way, and I haven't tried, but as Christians we don't live our lives on feelings but obedience to God and His Word. Am I not well enough informed on what Believers are allowed to do?

These ladies must be within their limits because they ask in the Name of Jesus and John 14:14 states they can. But still...to ask, is different then when you demand for some kind of result.

Answer:
The only Scripture that I can imagine being twisted to say such a thing is 1Cor7:14, where Paul says the unbelieving spouse is "sanctified" by the believing one. That means, "set apart". But they are not "holy" ("saints" =saved) like the children are. In other words, as long as an unbeliever is with a Believer, they have a certain sense of 'favor' and protection from God, that they might not have otherwise. Somewhat like David said to Abiathar the priest, "Stay with me. Do not fear. For he who seeks my life seeks your life. For with me you will be under protection." (1Sam22:23) David knew God's protection was over him, so he also knew that whoever was under his [David's] protection would also be safe.

But, to 'name-and-claim' that a spouse is going to be saved...just because they pray for it... goes contrary to "..each shall be put to death for his own sin.." (Deu24:16) Each person gives account of -himself- before God. (Rom14:2) Each person "stands or falls" -individually- before God. (Rom14:4)

When we ask "in His name" (Jn14:14) we must also ask "according to His will". (1Jn5:14) When we ask of God, we also ask for "wisdom" (Jas1:5) because we do not know "how" we should pray. (Rom8:26) How do we know what His will is? By being in fellowship with Him. And when we are thus engaged in a "life of continual prayer" (1Th5:17) it will be the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ Who actually pray to the Father on our behalf. That kind of prayer is not a "demanding"; but if we are abiding in the Vine, Jesus (Jn15), we will pray as He did... with "entreaties"(Heb5:7) "but let not My will be done, but Your will." (Lk22:42)

You know...actually...from what you say about this group [Ed: from parts of the note edited out for this Q/A], you need to put some distance between yourself and them. You will not change them; but they will drag you down, unless you withdraw from them.

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Boxing

Comment:
Finally, someone else that feels the same about the sport of boxing. I believe it is a crude sport myself and I thank you for saying it. And a woman fighting a man, it just goes to show that "they" will stop at nothing...whether it be for ratings or more than likely, money! Yes, Lord come quickly!

Comment:
i think what you said about boxing is very true. You know boxcing and such reminds me of what I have read about the old Romans, vicious enterainment. Also, I am sure you know all about that "sports enterainment" called wrestling. I have watched it to see if what I was hearing was true. Basically, the WWF, Vince McMahon, being the president, is nothing more than soft porn. The sad part about it is, many millions of impressionable children in this country are glued to the tv, watching it, with their parents permission.

I tried to talk to [somebody] about what I thought about it and all she says is, it is sports entertainment. I think disgusting garbage would be more to the point. I was thinking maybe you could address this in one of you e mails to everybody. i have not seen or heard one christian minister speak up on this subject. Maybe they do not know about it, I dont know. I think it is a subject that needs to be addressed by somebody.

Answer:
25 years ago when I would be 'home' for the summer, from college, my dad and I would watch "professional wrestling" on late Saturday nights. We'd get a 'kick' out of their -obvious- theatrics. But we knew it wasn't -real- wrestling.

I was rather flabbergasted recently when I saw the modern version of it invading 'prime time'. And saw a little of what it has become. Like you say, "soft porn". (There didn't used to be that 'porn' aspect to it. It was just good "clean fun" in a hokey sort of way.) As well as 'spiritual' (demonic) aspects. The attitudes that children are taught it's "OK" because everybody laughs at it.

And then, there's the whole genre of "extreme sports". Some of those that involve "fighting" fit into this same topic.

When Rome got into "violence" for "sports", it was shortly before its demise as an empire. That was also the time they were throwing Christians to the lions. Paul was certainly a victim of it.(1Cor15:32)

America! Are you paying attention? Trouble is, most are totally oblivious to any of this. On Jay Leno, the following Monday, it sounded like -most- of the studio audience was applauding the mixed-gender boxing match.

There were other good comments from several of you on this subject. All, with similar concerns (hearts). But I'm not going to post them. I really don't want to spend any time on such a subject. Just too disgusting! The little we've just 'now' addressed it is likely more than enough!

We won't change the world. They do those things that come "natural" to them. (Eph2:1-3) If we try to change -them-, they will think we are crazy. (1Pt4:4)

As Christians our minds are to be on... "whatever is true, whatever honorable, whatever is right, whatever pure, whatever lovely, whatever of good report, if of any virtue, and if of any praise, think on these things." (Phil4:8)

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And then... there's the whole Jesse Ventura 'thing'!

I don't intend on buying a copy of Playboy just so I can have the complete text of Jesse's interview. [Ed: for you from other countries who might not know, Mr. Ventura is a "pro wrestler" who became governor of the state of Minnesota last election." 'Been rather 'controversial' from the get-go. Has a 'mouth' and speaks his mind unabashedly.]

I don't know the rest of what he said, but there is certainly truth in his words that "religion is a crutch for the feeble-minded".

Now, before y'all raise your hackles... understand... Being a born-again, Jesus' blood-bought Christian is -NOT- a "religion". And it's more than that placebo trite'ism that everybody mantracises, "a relationship". Yes, it -is- a 'relationship', but not with the common mantras that have become the norm. Most of the ones who recite "not a religion - a relationship" are not, themselves, in possession of this relationship. It's like we addressed recently in answer to the question about praying for a long time. What is prayer? Prayer is synonymous with being "filled by the [Holy] Spirit." (Eph5:18) A few of you shared your own "life of prayer" in your responses to me. The continual "walk" in God's "presence". Prayer (the Christian life) is not a set of rituals that adherents to religions practise. It is a constant "abiding" in the "Vine", Jesus Christ. (Jn15)

People who follow religions haven't nary a clue as to what this is about. They -cannot-, because it is a spiritual (of the Holy Spirit) matter. (1Cor2) And yes, this includes the Baptist, Methodist, Nazarene, etc. you-name-it "religions" of those carrying those titles, who do not know the Lord. The "christians" (small "c") in all the churches do NOT know what true prayer is. They CANNOT! They are not 'part of' the "Vine", Jesus Christ. They can pretend all they want, but it doesn't make their prayers any more real!

Now, don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying Jesse is a Believer. His fruits don't indicate that he is. But if I were to stack Jesse next to a typical (nominal) "christian" and have to 'pick' -who- has the more likely chance of getting into heaven, Jesse would get my vote. At least, he doesn't have that "block" of "religion", making him think he's -already- 'saved' and on his way to heaven.

Jesus said it this way...

"Truly I say to you, the tax collectors and the harlots go before you [the religiously astute] into the kingdom of God." (Mt21:31)

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Do it in love

Comment:
When you do something, don't forget to do it in Love.

Answer:
This was the sum-totale of the comment from this subscriber. No explanation as to in-what-manner they thought I was doing otherwise. But since they took the trouble to write it, they must think that 'otherwise' is the case.

Within the past week or two (I lose track of time sometimes) somebody (not on the mailing list) asked if I would like to read his 'prophetic writing' and see what I thought of it. After a couple of exchanges, it became clear that he was a false prophet, wanting me to read his writings of 'there -not- being a rapture', etc. By the time those exchanges were over, his final -whinings- were that I seemed to stand on Scripture as the "most important thing", to the detriment of "love for the brothers."

Well, I'm not about to begin "defending" this ministry. It is not "mine" to defend. It was not "my" call. It was not "my" idea to do. The website is not "my" website, nor are these writings and mailings "mine". If you knew the manner and circumstances of the writing of many of them, you would know this.

I share in Paul's motivations when he wrote, "Brothers, truly my heart's pleasure and supplication to God on behalf of Israel is for it to be saved. For I testify to them that they have zeal to God, but not according to knowledge. For being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, they did not submit to the righteousness of God." (Rom10:1-3) Include the word "church" along with "Israel" and you will know my heart.

25 years ago as I was finishing up my music degree, my desire was to "be used of God" in service. When Jesus spoke of the master giving out "talents", I viewed -my- 'talents' as the music. After all, everybody else said so, too. And people were continually "blessed" by my music.

(Oh, no! Here he goes bragging about himself, again!! 2Cor11:16~)

You see, -my- 'idea' was that my 'call' was to minister to 'christians' (in the 'church') so that they would be "better christians". And I was going to do this via music.

But you know, the Lord allowed/caused circumstances to always work in other ways. And so, like Moses, instead of doing exploits, I spent a lot of years in the wilderness.

Now... when it was time that the Lord, actually, called me; the circumstances had made it such that music was loathsome to me. All those things I counted as being valuable I needed to "count" as "loss". And indeed now, "because of the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them to be trash, that I might gain Christ" (Phil3:8) I can no longer desecrate Jesus Christ by performing the choral staple, the Mass. I can no longer worship the other gods of Nimrod by performing Holst's (Hindu) "Hymns from the Rig-Veda" ...some of the MOST GORGEOUS music (musically, in my opinion) ever written for choir. When you are a "professional" musician, you are -expected-to- perform all these 'classics'. As well as the 'lighter' things like excerpts "I don't know how to love him.." from "Jesus Christ Super Star", or "the things that yer li'ble to read in the Bible, it ain't necessarily so.." from "Porgy and Bess" for "pops" concerts.

Even back when I thought I would serve the Lord through music, there was also this 'other' tug at my heart. To -PREACH-. But I was not 'talented' in public speaking. And, 'what about the music, then?' The music would 'go to waste' if I preached. And the Lord had given me the music talent. So, I reasoned. And I was pretty much convinced that my reasonings were the Lord's will, too. After all, most of the "christians" around me seemed to support and encourage the idea.

Trouble is, my "desire" for the "church" was wrong. My desire was that they be -better- christians. When, what the need was, was that they -be- "Christians". Remember Paul's words as he speaks of Israel. By definition it would have -seemed- that Israel knew God. That they were Believers. But Paul says that his desire was for this entity that had the -appearance- of belonging to God, -that-they-would-be- "saved".

So, when God actually called me, one of the primary Scriptures He called me with was Ezekiel ch2. Yes, the call is regarding the "church" and others. (vs3) But His assurance is that many will not listen, because most of the church is "rebellious", and I will receive many harsh words from people... which I do. And He says, "And you shall speak -MY-WORDS- to them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear, for they are rebellious." (vs7)

So this is what I do. When somebody whines that I use "too much Scripture", I take heart that I am doing at least SOMETHING correctly. I am not here to hand out lollipops of sweetness and sunshine, getting everybody to "smile" (like I used to do leading songs from the platforms) and make the "joy of the Lord shine" on their faces; to make them 'feel' good. I am here to "give them food in season" (Mt24:45) and to be "faithful" (2Cor4:2) to the One Who called me. My motivation in these writings and mailings is to be as Jesus, Who said, "For I did not speak from Myself, but He who sent Me, the Father, He has given Me command, what I should say, and what I should speak." (Jn12:49) Many people thought Jesus was "unloving", too. And, ultimately, because of His "harshness", they crucified Him.

Jesus wept over Jerusalem, "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one killing the prophets..." (Mt23:37) If my motivation to be obedient to God, and desiring the salvation of today's "church" is "unloving"... to you who feel this way, you be the judge. [I know there are many on this list who truly -do- 'know' the Lord. You that are such, in your heart you know this is not being written to you.] But to you who are 'pretenders', consider what you will answer before the Great White Throne in That Day! And then, consider which is more 'loving'... to hand out lollipops, or warnings from God's Word!

"But save others with fear, snatching them out of the fire, hating even the garment having been stained from the flesh." (Jude23)

Truly, then, God overlooking the times of ignorance, now strictly commands all men everywhere to repent, (Acts17:30) Behold, now is the acceptable time! Behold, now is the day of salvation! (2Cor6:2)

Amen!

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