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Question:
This was excerpt was taken from another Christian mailing I get...I
wanted to know your opinion on it... Thanks...

Quote:
"This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto
you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say
that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do
not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we
have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son
cleanseth us from all sin.  (1Jn1:5-7)

Fellowship is like two or three men in a small boat, whatever happens,
happens to all of them.  They are in the boat together.  Together they
fight, live, and/or die. A point could be made, that without
fellowship, the blood will not cleanse us from all sin. We do know that
it is impossible to walk in darkness and sin and have fellowship with
one another.  It's also impossible to walk or live in darkness and have
fellowship with God.

Someone has said, "if you or most anything else is not attached to
anything, you're probably not worth much."  Think about it.  A hose
must be attached to a faucet, the faucet must be attached to a water
pipe the water pipe must be connected to a source of water and on and
on.  If we're not connected to anyone, then eventually we're not
connected to God.  Remember, usually not immediately, but eventually
your vertical relationship (that is, your relationship with God) is no
better then your horizontal relationships, that is, your relationships
with those people around you.  And you can't get away with ------ "I
love the church ---- it's the people I hate or have trouble with." >>>
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[Ed: This person did not -name- this other mail service. I have no idea 
who the author might be. Considering what I am 'about to' answer, it's 
probably just as well that I don't...so I can't be accused of "picking" 
on them....'personally']


Answer:
Well, they seem to be making the relationship with God dependent upon
our relationship with other people. Yes, we must be "attached", but our
point of attachement is through God's Holy Spirit, "But if anyone has
not the Spirit of Christ, this one is not His." (Rom8:9b) And we are
-attached- "to God" (Eph2:16) through Christ through the "one Spirit".
(Eph2:18)

They have it backward. They quote 1Jn1:7 and turn it right around 
backward. But that verse says that "-IF- we walk in the light" (that's 
our relationship with God) -then- "we have fellowship with one 
another..."

And to say, from his three-men-in-a-boat story, that "fellowship" is 
necessary for "cleansing from sin", is a total blatant twisting of 
Scripture. It's a "cute" story. But, it doesn't say that. vs7 ties 
fellowship in with "walking in the light" and "His blood cleansing us 
from all sin". But going on to vs9 it says nothing about "fellowship" 
as it talks about the relationship between confession and cleansing. 
vs8 speaking about sin, deception and truth does not include 
"fellowship". It's not part of the equation.

To say that each person in the "boat" needs the other for salvation is 
to deny Jesus Christ, "..there is salvation in no other One, for 
neither is there any other name [than Jesus] under Heaven having been 
given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts4:12)

Everybody is busy trying to "unite" everybody, having everybody "love 
one another" to have "fellowship", and they intend, in that manner, to 
-create- a better relationship with God. But God "finished" the work 
when Jesus died on the cross. (Jn19:30) That work also completed the 
"one-ness" Jesus prayed about in Jn17. What has to come first is to be 
"walking in the light". To be saved. The New Birth. (Jn3:3) To be "in 
Christ". (2Cor5:17)

Then, and only then, can there be fellowship. And truly, those who 
-are- In Christ do have fellowship. First of all, "with the Father" 
(1Jn1:3) And then with each other. It exists....already! If they are 
talking about -having- fellowship, seeking to go about figuring out how 
to have it, they obviously -don't- have it. By definition (through the 
back door), they are -NOT- In Christ. They are not saved. They are not 
born again.

Jesus did not say, "by this you shall be cleansed and saved...if you 
love one another" (Jn13:35) No, the "love" (and related "unity") would 
be an indication that they "are" His disciples. The love won't be there 
if they are not disciples. The fact that they are trying to "create" 
love, means they don't have it. As 1Jn2:9 says, the one "hating his 
brother, is in the darkness until now." He -has-been- unsaved, and is 
-now- unsaved. That's -why- he "hates" his brother. They are -not- His 
disciples.

And "by their fruits" (Mt7:15-20) anybody who proclaims such rubbish, 
if they truly believe it in their heart, is a "false prophet". Not 
saved. Not a true Christian.

Amen!