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Re: Dinosaurs and a 'Young' Earth (Job 40-41)

Close to a month ago we took a little side excursion with the people on
the mailing list about matters dealing with Time Warp and the distance
to the stars, the time required for star-light to reach earth, and how
that 'could' help explain the age of the universe; the seemingly
apparent 'discrepancy' between the Biblical "young earth", versus
science's uniformitarianism-based "old" universe of B/Millions of years.

As is always the case, some people responded with comments how such
thoughts are "interesting". But then, there are also the others that
are more 'intellectual', who scoff at any notion that would suggest a
"young" earth, because their intellectual (scientific) mind set cannot
accept anything except what Darwinianism proclaims; and they even go so
far as to suggest that people like me should, essentially, keep our
yaps shut about things we don't know (presumably, like 'they' do).

In working my way through Job recently, it was interesting reading
God's description of two of the dinosaurs. While I am not a scientist,
I do 'specialize' in the Scriptures. And anybody who has been around
academic circles knows that Job is one of the few Bible books that
acedemia loves to argue and speculate about, and wax intellectual. So,
let's show, from Job, that the earth is, indeed, "young".

Before we do, however, let us be reminded 'why' this is so important.
It is like another ministry (Answers in Genesis) says continually in
the little snippets they mail out: everything in the world today can be
traced back to Genesis. Genesis is the beginning, the origin. Creation,
the fall into sin, promise of Christ's redemption, beginning of the 
world's pagan religions... AND all that which science looks at to 
speculate an "old" universe, contrary to a Divine Creator... it all is 
explained from Genesis. However, if the universe (and specifically the 
earth) -IS- truly "old", that makes the Scriptures false. The God of 
the Bible is a liar. And Christianity is no different from the pagan 
religions of the world. In a round-about sort of way, one's belief in 
an 'old' or 'young' earth can suggest the nature of one's belief about
the Most High. Genesis says creation took six (6) sunrise/sunset days.
Darwinianism says it was not creation, but evolution. Darwinianism's
"fools" also say that "there is no God". (Ps14:1)

Evolution says the dinosaurs were creatures of B/Millions of years ago.
They even "prove" it from the fossils scientifically with carbon
dating. But like we noted about a month ago, carbon dating is a joke,
when one considers how they dated that farmer's pig skeleton as being
"millions" of years old. And if they were heralding that "pig" skeleton
as some "new species"...well... did they not recognize it as being a
"pig"? What would that suggest about any of their other "discoveries"?
And also, we noted how things were different before and after the
flood. Life expectancies, and all sorts of things.

As God speaks to Job, after he and his three friends have been 
philosophizing (as the world also does about their arguments), He says, 
"Behold now, Behemoth..." (Job40:15) and goes on to describe a creature 
not at all dissimiler to the 'brontosaurus'. It is a herbivore. What 
other dinosaur could be said to "move its tail like a cedar"? (vs17) 
Eating on the mountains (vs20), but also spending time in the water.  
"The lotus trees cover him...the willows by the brook surround him." 
(vs22) And it is of such a size that flooding rivers are of no concern.  
Not a creature to be 'snared'. (vs24) This was a creature Job was 
familiar with, and from the text (please read vs15-24) it seems 
obvious, was ALIVE during Job's time. Is this also the legendary Loch
Ness monster?

In ch41 God describes Leviathan. As one reads that account, one
immediately thinks of tyrannosaurus. (T-Rex) The ancient legends of the
fire-breathing dragon, with whom only the bravest would dare enjoin in
battle. Apparently any thoughts of victory over it was futile, as God
says, "Lay your hand upon him; remember the battle; you will not do it
again! No one is so fierce that he would dare stir him up." (vs8,10a)
Describes the fierce teeth (vs14), the scales (vs15-17) and from its
undersides scraping along it would leave a 'trail' in the dirt. (vs30)
And see where the term "rex" comes from; from God, Himself, "..he is
'king' over all the children of pride.." (vs34)  Again, from the
context, a creature that obviously lived during Job's time.

So, that being the case, we need to understand 'when' Job lived. There
is no place in Scripture that records, "So-n-so begat, begat, 
begat...Job".  But I think we can narrow him down to within a few 
centuries.

Notice that Job was from the "land of Uz". (Job1:1) Places,
historically, are named after the people who first settle them, and
establish a society. Who was Uz? He was a descendant of Esau.
(Gen36:28) This is verified for us, "..daughter of Edom (another name
for Esau), You who dwell in the land of Uz!" (Lam4:21)

Further notice that one of Job's "friends" was Eliphaz the Temanite.  
(Job4:1) Eliphaz was Esau's son (Gen36:4), and Teman was born to 
Eliphaz. (vs11) Now, even though Eliphaz was Teman's father, it seems 
appropriate to see Eliphaz as being called a "Temanite" because Teman 
became a "chief". (vs15) Teman was a chief, with an established sphere 
of rule/kingship; and so Eliphaz was from that 'kingdom', but also the
ruler's father.

Now, while there was -a- "Job" born to Issachar (Gen46:13) within a
similar time frame, that is a list of those who went to Egypt to be
with Joseph. Job1:1 states that "there was -a- man" in Uz. So, likely
not the same "Job". Also, while there was an "Uz" born earlier to Aram
(Gen10:22-23), the expression "land of Uz" is reiterated in connection
with Edom/Esau. (Lam4:21) So, while we may not know Job's specific
genealogy, we have a good frame-of-reference to 'when' he lived. The
discussions in Job likely take place within the first century of
Jacob's family living in Egypt.  That's somewhere around 1850BC (give
or take).

This also explains how Moses could be attributed with the writing
(recording) of Job, as some suspect; although not verified.  When he
fled from Pharaoh after killing the Egyptian, he ended up in this same 
region and married Reuel's daughter; Reuel being a descendant of Esau.

Brontosaurus and Tyranosaurus existing during the time of Israel in
Egypt? Far-fetched, you say? They are "pre-historic". That's what the
experts tell us from carbon dating and fossils. That the dinosaurs all
died out during an earlier ice age, due to an asteroid that hit the
earth.

I wish I had remembered details to share, but a year or more ago on 
Public TV they had a special that included a discussion of the "fiery 
serpents" that God sent to punish Israel in the wilderness. (Num ch21) 
Mind you, these were -unbelievers-, 'experts' in zoology, 
archaeology... these scientific fields of studies where 'experts' come 
from. These unbelievers were presenting a case to suggest that those 
"fiery serpents" were not mere "snakes" that slither; but that they 
were a form of "pre-historic" serpent-like creature that also had 
"pre-historic" skeletal bat-like wings; before they finally died out 
and became extinct. Remember, this is scarely a century after the last 
of Noah's generation have died. (600 years after the flood) People are 
still living longer years. The after-effects of the global
post-diluvian changes haven't yet fully been established. Even after
Job is restored, he goes on and lives another 140 years. (Job42:16)
Since "saurus" means "lizard", and we have observed on other occasions
that some species of lizard continue growing in size, the longer number
of years they live...indeed, it seems apparent that there -WERE- 
dinosaurs after the flood.

You see, dinosaurs were -not- from millions and billions of years ago.
Carbon dating is flawed. Many of them lived as recently as 3800 years
ago. Their skeletons did not fossilize because they did not go through
the flood, and the great 'pressures' that were involved in creating the
fossils.

But, to believe this, you would need to believe that the Scriptures are 
true. You would need to believe in Creation. You would need to believe 
that there was a literal "flood" during Noah's time. You would need to 
believe in a six-(literal)-day creation. You would need to believe the 
Scriptural documentation of genealogies which gives us a presently 
aproximately 6000 year old earth. But most of all, you would need to 
believe in "God". It was God who describes a contextually 'present 
tense' Behemoth and Leviathan to Job.  And the Genesis ("beginning")
begins with a declaration that...

"In the beginning God..." (Gen1:1)

Amen!
Q/A -Dinosaurs & the Flood, Carbon Dating, Gap Theory?